In this first episode, Sonia and Jessica discuss their journeys to geriatric mamahood, why they waited so long to have children, fertility treatments, miscarriages, pregnancy reveals and miracle rainbow babies.

Topics discussed in this episode:

• About Geriatric Mamas/ Our Ages at Conception (1:39)

• Sonia’s Journey (3:55)

• Why Sonia almost decided not to transfer embryo Annabelle (8:02)

• Jessica’s Journey (10:24)

• Jessica’s Fertility Clinic Tip (18:00)

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Boston IVF & Dr. Lannon (5:49)

  At Boston IVF, we don't just provide innovative fertility treatments and cutting-edge embryo science. 

  We diagnose. We instill hope. We offer advice, experience, and a proven track record of success for infertility patients. We lend a shoulder to lean on when you need it most. And so much more.

  Back in 1986, we were founded on the philosophy that comprehensive care is essential to successful fertility outcomes. Groundbreaking technologies matter. Access to your clinical team matters. Support and guidance matters. Laboratory and IVF science matters. Arriving at a swift and proper diagnosis, especially during complicated cases, matters. Because for many, time is of the essence. 

  Individually and collectively, our fertility experts and team members weave each of these key components into your daily care. 

  We believe that no two patients are alike and that many factors affect an individual or couple’s decisions regarding treatment. Our priority is to assess your needs accurately and to apply effective services that work best for you.

• Dallas IVF & Dr. Ku (14:17)

  Your fertility guides- The Dallas IVF fertility team is devoted to helping you, our patients, become parents, and facing the medical and emotional challenges together. The care we give is genuine, sincere and highly skilled – founded on the expertise and insight from our reproductive endocrinologists, many of whom have experienced infertility themselves.

  We serve as a guide through education, personalized treatments and support for the emotional ups and downs. We’re there through it all, committed to your success.

• Holistic Fertility Information (28:31)

  Visit the Geriatric Mamas Fertility Blog where the Mamas share their natural fertility tips, fertility supplements, foods, etc.

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Episode transcript:

Jessica: Hey everybody, welcome to the Geriatric Mamas podcast. I'm Jessica.

Sonia: And I'm Sonia.

Jessica: And we’re lifelong besties going on 20 plus years of friendship. We met at our high school job, the Clambake in Scarborough, Maine. Shout out.

Sonia: The Bake!!

Jessica: Both from Maine. Yeah, both from Maine. Sonia is still in Maine.  And I fled Maine years ago. And now I’m in Texas.

We’re doing this remotely. So bear with us!  This is the first time we've ever done this.  So we're dealing with a lot of… technical issues right now, LOL!

So hopefully this comes out great. Hopefully this is actually recording.  We don't really know, but we're just gonna give it a try!

Sonia: Here we go!

Jessica: So yeah, basically, I don't even know how to start this, lol.  Do you wanna start Sonia?

Sonia: Yeah!  So I'll tell you a little bit about Geriatric Mamas.  We’re a blog and a podcast for any woman over the maternal age of 35 that's either actively trying or has already successfully conceived.  Jessica and I both had our babies late in our 30s. I conceived Annabelle when I was 38 and I had her when I was 39.  Jess, can you tell us when you…

Jessica: It's actually the same thing!  So, I conceived Hayden at 38 and then had him at 39.  But yeah, I mean, basically we just kinda, I mean, I remember like the first time I heard the term geriatric pregnancy… And I know that apparently that's a term that's starting to go away because people are finally catching on that it's very, very rude; It's insulting.  It's just like “WTF is going on here? LOL.”

Sonia: Yeah…

Jessica: But we... think it’s hilarious!  And the way that Sonia and I deal with things that are really uncomfortable or awkward is we laugh about it.  We find the humor in it.  And so this is definitely one of those things.

We just wanted to create a safe space for all of us geriatric mamas who are feeling a little disconnected with the world as it's basically targeting the twenty or early thirty-something year old mamas…

And we wanted a place for all of us to relate to. So we're going to be talking about any and everything that our geriatric minds can think of. This could include fertility, health, diet, exercise, fashion, entertainment, celebrity gossip, funny stories, life as a geriatric mama, parenting tips, recipes, trending topics, I mean, you name it, we're just going to let live and go for it. 

We're also going to have some harder conversations about topics that aren't covered enough. We may cry, we may laugh, we'll definitely snort laugh. But…

Sonia: There will be laugh snorting from me… and we all know that!

Jessica: There’ll be lots and lots of snorting!

Sonia: Mm-hmm.

Jessica: So, I don't know, maybe we should dive into talking about how we got here, you know?

Sonia: I can start. 

When I was younger and thought about having kids, I always kind of thought I would be in my 30s. I didn't really think I would want to be a young mom because I had career goals and wanted to go on vacations and travel and just live life before getting pregnant. 

And so... I waited and just thought I had my whole life to get pregnant because… you know, that's how we think when we're young. So I decided to just focus on my career and on having a great time and then when it came time for my husband, Michael, and I to try to have a baby… I realized it was taking a long time, it was taking longer than I thought it should… we tried for four years naturally. 

I mean, we weren't super stressed or worried about it because we knew eventually we would have a baby whether we had to do fertility treatments or whether we had one naturally or whether we were going to adopt. 

Adoption was something that I had considered since I was really young because I had a close friend who was adopted and she was really close with her family and it was a really special bond. So, I wasn't really worried about the situation of getting pregnant, even though it was taking a long time. 

But then as I was creeping up into my later 30s, I realized I don't have as much time. So I was thinking about doing some fertility treatments because I had since decided that I really wanted to have a Tapley boy. I wanted a little boy to carry on the family name.  So, we decided to do IVF. 

We researched the best local IVF doctors and we heard some great things from friends about this one doctor at Boston IVF; and we decided to go with that doctor. There was just no question in my mind at that point that we would get pregnant from doing IVF. 

Of course, we ended up deciding we wanted to do this right before COVID hit, and we had our first doctor's appointment in November of 2019, and had everything scheduled for January 2020, before Covid happened.  Then a couple of work trips got scheduled during our initial start date- so we had to push it back.  We went on some mini vacations and then COVID happened and that pushed…

Jessica: I remember that!  You were getting so frustrated because you were supposed to start treatment and then we got locked down and  your work kept putting all these trips on your calendar too.

Sonia: Right.

Jessica: It took forever for you to even get started with that!

Sonia: Yeah, so I mean… my mind was just really casual about it.  Like… “Oh yeah, no big deal, eventually it will get started…” But then once COVID hit, I did get frustrated. Jessica could tell I was super frustrated because I just wanted to have my baby in my arms already. 

So we finally got started with the IVF process once things opened back up in June of 2020.  I had my egg retrieval and then we did the whole testing thing to see if there were any abnormalities with the embryos; and to check the gender of the embryos. 

We got our results back sometime in early August… maybe late July, and we had one viable embryo left and out of the whole process, and it was a girl. 

Jessica was actually one of my first phone calls aside from Mike to be like, “hey, you know, so we have one viable embryo, it's a girl… what do we do?!”  Do I want to have this girl right now or do I want to try…

Jessica: Yes!!!

Sonia: I know, Jessica was like, “YES!”

Jess: That’s not even a question! YES!! 

Sonia: Right!! But it was also a question because our doctor really wanted us to try for more embryos before getting pregnant, because of my late maternal geriatric age. LOL. He was very concerned that we wouldn't be able to have another baby if I didn't get on it right away so we decided to just go ahead with our girl because I didn't really care. 

I was like “I'm meant to be a girl mom. This is my baby girl.” And so we scheduled our embryo transfer for August 27th.  We had already named her at that point and she stuck and we got our baby girl. So we just have our two year old running around like a happy little princess now.

Jessica: She's the cutest little button like you've ever seen. Like literally she’s your legit mini me. It’s hilarious.

Sonia: She really is.

Jessica: Just like, take you and put you in miniature form, and that’s Annabelle. It’s so good.

Sonia: Yeah, thank you! I know she's a lot of fun. She's definitely my twin. Outwardly and inwardly, LOL.

Jessica: Um, so do you regret, ah well, obviously you don't regret having Annabelle. That's not my question. Do you regret waiting later in life? Like if you could go back and rewind how everything happened, would you change anything or are you… do you like how things turned out?

Sonia: Actually, I don't have regrets… Only because I wanted to make sure I was secure in my relationship and that we were both ready to have a baby. So I actually don't regret the timing per se. 

I'm really glad that we gave it our all in terms of trying naturally before we went to IVF. I think maybe if anything, since we had tried for four years, I might've just been slightly more urgent on the IVF side of things. I was just really busy with work. So, I think if anything, I just know we tried everything and so we weren't really putting off the whole trying situation, but I think maybe putting off IVF would be a regret… I would've gotten on it just a little bit sooner.

Jessica: Mm-hmm.

Sonia: Maybe starting IVF in 2016 or 17 or something like that.

Jessica: No, I hear you… Yeah. Because I mean, you've been with Mike for just as long as I've been with Adam.

Sonia: Mm-hmm.

Jessica: And so it's like, sometimes it's so easy to, you know, when we were struggling the way that we were, it was so easy to look back and be like, “oh, my god, we met when we were 25 and 26. Why like, why did we not like, jump on it at that point?”  Literally. And like… start trying, you know, but honestly, good thing I didn't. I was not any type of human that you would want raising another human at that point in my life. Like I was so selfish. I mean, it's incredible that I'm still here to talk about it.

You know? Because I was not the same person that I am today.  Obviously, if I had gotten pregnant, I would have gotten my shit together... I would like to think I would have gotten my shit together faster; and figured it out and made it work, but I was just so selfish.

I didn't really think about anybody else but me at that time. And I just don't think I would have given Hayden the best version of myself at that point.

I was definitely more attractive then, LOL… but my mind was definitely still growing at that point.

Sonia: Yeah, our minds were still developing in our early thirties, for sure.

Jessica: Yeah.

Jessica: I mean, my story is  pretty similar. Basically, I thought I had forever, you know?  And it's like, I don't know… I just had all these visions and dreams of things that I wanted to accomplish and do before I settled down. 

And then I was like, “Okay, when I'm 30, that's when I'm going to start trying.” Well, then I hit 30. And I'm like, “I'm just not in any place in my life to start trying right now. I'm still trying to figure out my career. I'm still trying to figure out who I am.” And so I just really kept living the good life and doing me and focusing on my relationship.

Also, Adam took an incredibly long time to put a ring on it. LOL… So that definitely delayed things quite a bit.  Not bitter, but I mean… seriously?

So, finally, when we were at a point where we were like, “okay, we're married, we're ready to go…”  We got married when I was 36.  So, definitely at that point I was already considered advanced maternal age- since that’s over 35.

Sonia: Mm-hmm, lol!

Jessica: And so imagine my surprise… and I'm thinking I have all this time and I'm like, 36 is a great time to start trying.  And then I start researching stuff and everybody's calling me a frigging geriatric. And I'm like, “rude?!  Like, what are you talking about?” 

But yeah, so we got married at 36.  And I wanted to have a honeymoon baby.  Adam wanted to wait a little bit longer.  And so we waited a little bit- a few months after getting married.  And we sort of were trying, but not really. And we got pregnant very fast, like right away. And I was just in shock. 

Sonia was the first person that I reached out to. I sent her a picture of the pee stick. And I'm like, “is this for real?!”   And she's like, “Oh, my God!  Oh my God, oh my God, yes, it's real!”  

I took so many of them. I was freaking out.  I'm like, “Okay, shit just got real.  Are we actually ready for this?  Like, I don't know.  Like, we just got married.”   We had all these things we were going to do.  

And unfortunately, that decision was taken out of my hands for me when we miscarried.

At that time, obviously it was painful, but I looked at it as… When we're pregnant I want to be overjoyed.  I don't want to be freaking out.  I want to be excited about it.  And it's not that I wasn't excited, it's just…  I was freaking the fuck out basically.

Sonia: Yeah.

Jessica: It was like, “what am I gonna do?”  And so, we just kind of focused on remodeling our house. It really wasn't a good time.  So, we put trying to get pregnant aside, continued remodeling our house, just focused on living our life; and then it was like, several months later, I want to say like, probably like five or six months later, we decided to start trying again. 

So we got pregnant about three months after trying, and I remember this, it was around Thanksgiving, and I was at work, and I'm on my way to work, well actually before I get into that, so.... I have to tell you guys  how I told Adam I was pregnant.  I actually still have the video. 

I basically took, what was it?  Lipstick; and I went in the mirror and I drew this giant penis. And then I drew like, cum bubbles coming out of the penis. And then inside one of the cum bubbles was the pregnancy test.  And it was like, look what you made with your penis. LOL.

Sonia: Yeah. LOL!

Jessica: So that was on the bathroom mirror, like huge;  just waiting for him to get home.  I mean… classic.  And so he comes home, he sees that, we have a moment of video recording it.  I'm so excited about it.  We tell his dad, you know, we were very like, just, you know, just very naive about the whole thing.  I think we assumed, even though we had gone through a miscarriage, we were just like… “Well, this is what we want, we were trying, this is it.” You know?

And so we told him, he was all excited.  And then it was literally like two days later, I'm on my way to work.  And I started noticing I had cramping my lower left abdomen.  And I started freaking out. I started Googling, what does this mean?  And you wanna hang on to the positive blogs, not like the negative blogs are telling you like the inevitable is happening. 

So long story short, that embryo did not stick.  We ended up losing that pregnancy.  And that was very hard to wrap my head around, especially with the fact that it was like two or three days later, my cousin called me to tell me that she's pregnant. And then I also had a coworker at work who shared the news around that same time that she was pregnant. 

So it was all around me, and I had to sit here and put on a friend and family hat and be like, “that's great. I love that for you guys.” All while I'm sitting there broken. 

So that was fun. We continued trying… you know, more and more.  Finally, nothing was happening, we weren't successful.  And I went to my OB, we did some blood tests and found out that my AMH, um, what does that stand for by the way? AMH.

Sonia: I'm not sure. We need to look that up. Google!

Jessica: Basically, it indicates your ovarian reserve. So it gives you an idea of roughly- your likelihood of conceiving naturally; how much longer you have of being fertile, sort of.  There's a better explanation.  We'll look into that. 

But anyway, the number was low and wasn't to my favor.  I was referred to a fertility clinic.  I went there, they were awful. I'm not going to say their names, but I could totally blast them right now. They're terrible.

So here's a tip! Do your research, read reviews. One doctor's treatment plan could be very different from another doctor's treatment plan. One doctor may give you a diagnosis like, “oh, it's, you know, 3% chance.” While another one could be like, “oh, this is great. You have like a 40% chance.” You know what I mean? 

So it's just different perspectives, different methods of doing things. If you don't feel right about your Doctor or plan, listen to your gut.  I spent way too long- I want to say a little over a year of my time was wasted with this particular clinic.  A lot of money was spent, and didn't have insurance that covered fertility treatments.  So that was hard. 

I did numerous rounds of IUI with them, a few rounds of what they were calling mini IVFs, and they all failed.  And I really felt like the Doctor and Nurses there were just kind of tossing me in a bucket.  They're like, “okay, here's her age, here's her AMH. This is her generic treatment plan that we give all the old bitches.” You know? “With these stats.” You know what I mean? It was like a one size fits all treatment plan. 

The Doctor’s logic was, if you have a car that can only go 40 miles per hour, it doesn't matter how much you press the gas, it's only going to go 40 miles per hour. Okay, that kind of makes sense, but  last I checked, I don't have a fucking engine. You don't put gasoline in me, like I'm not a fucking car. I'm a human being, so maybe it's not that black and white.

Sonia: Yeah.

Jessica: So, needless to say, we finally made a switch. I did research. I found this other doctor. Amazing. Dr. Koo, shout out to Dallas IVF.  He's awesome.  We had our consultation with him; and you know, Adam and I were just beaten down when we transitioned.  I literally felt from the last doctor that I was just this old decrepit woman with these raisins for eggs that I was trying to turn into a baby and the likelihood of it happening was just, not a thing. She just really made me feel down on myself.  Like, I was almost foolish for even trying.  Whereas Dr. Koo was just like a ray of sunshine.  He looked at my lab results and was just like, “This isn't bad. This is great. Definitely, need to give this a go.” 

His treatment plan was way more aggressive. He was just like, “I say we dial it up. I say we rev the engine.” Just the complete opposite. Night and day. And in the meantime, he encouraged us to still keep trying naturally on our own. 

So the last place we did the first round, she collected two eggs for the mini IVF she did. And then in the second round, she collected three eggs and then none of them made it to embryos. Well, they made it to embryos and then they all died. So nothing resulted in a… Well, we did one transfer with a really low grade embryo. And of course it didn't turn into anything.

Then Dallas IVF, the first egg retrieval we did, we got nine. He thought we were going to get 12 when we got in there. We got nine, which I still like better than two or three. So it was great. They all took to embryos. But then unfortunately, on the last day, there was only one. None of them made it to frozen. We had one again, low grade; it was slightly better than the last one but it was a low grade embryo. 

We did a fresh transfer and it didn't stick. But I left that experience feeling way more optimistic because then he was like, “you know what, we're going to try it again. We're gonna really get in there and be more aggressive.” 

And then that second time, I think we did actually end up getting 12 eggs. I think eight of them turned into embryos. It was the same situation. We didn't freeze any. He never once indicated that he was giving up on me. He was just kind of like changing around the treatment plans and stuff.  

And so we were getting ready and preparing for our fourth round of IVF and we finally figured out our insurance situation. We moved myself over to my husband's insurance plan that had fertility coverage. And our fertility coverage was going to be in effect on February 1st. And on January 27th, we found out we were pregnant. Naturally.

We didn't know that could happen. It happened twice before. Didn't work. And so of course, we were excited. We were scared. I mean, is this going to work? I was taking so many supplements at this point. I had been routinely going to acupuncture. So. my body was different than it was the last time. So I was hopeful that maybe that meant that this embryo would stick.

And so we go, they do blood work. My numbers kept increasing and increasing… I'm gonna get emotional. We saw the heartbeat. I'm just like remembering, but yeah, it was just like.. you know? (Crying).

Sonia: I know.

Jessica: I remember hearing all those stories like, oh, they got pregnant in between their treatment plans. And they weren't even trying.  

We were trying but, there was in between their treatment plans and all you know, miraculously they got pregnant their own I'm just like, fuck off like that's not going to happen to me. That's just a story. No guys, like I will, I'm here to say it can happen to you. Don't give up. Just keep trying and it could happen and you know, now we have our miracle baby. He's our rainbow baby Hayden. He's nine months old. He's amazing. He's everything. He's just, he's definitely worth the wait. So, you know, it was a hard, obviously, journey to get here. 

But I think that it had to be a struggle for a reason. I'm trying to figure out what that reason is. But I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. I'm definitely very, very grateful for him. But it was a long, heart wrenching process for sure.

Sonia:

Mm-hmm. I remember I was basically going through it step by step with you every time. I remember crying several times. It was so rough.

Jessica:

Yeah, Sonia was literally like my other nurse practitioner on the side because she had gone through all this stuff before. So it's like I would come home with this treatment plan to be like, this is what they told me this is what they're putting down. She was like, “that's it?!” Especially with the first place. You were like, “why are they only putting you on this? Why are they only doing this? Why aren't they doing this?” And I'm just like, “I don't know. They're giving me progesterone to shove up my twat. I'm like, that's not a thing. Sorry, that's disgusting. Give me the shot.” It was just a mess.

Sonia:

It's so funny because Boston IVF never told me to shove anything up my twat. There was no conversation about that. It was always just about injections for progesterone. So I was so confused when you were going through that.

Jessica:

It's so gross. The first place loved shoving things in my twat. Like, any chance they got they were shoving things in there. It's like, “Oh estrogen pills we're gonna shove those in there. Oh progesterone we're gonna shove those in there.” And finally with the estrogen I noticed  it said on the bottle that you can either insert vaginally or take it orally and I decided to take them orally. 

And then at Dallas IVF Was just injections and oral medications from the start.

I mean, you lose half of the medication the second you stand up, it all comes out in your underwear. So it's like, “What the fuck? What’s the point in that?”

Sonia: Right, it makes no sense.I was confused from the start. I was like, “Are you sure?  This place doesn’t sound legit to me.  Can we just move on from them?”

I make my experience sound so easy with conceiving Annabelle, but before we even started IVF, there were so many things that I did to try to set myself up for success- so that I knew I wasn't missing one little detail of what could go wrong.  

I was a little extra, I was very type A about the whole IVF situation and I don't necessarily know that we would have gotten different results if it weren't for that… but I was on specific supplements, I was also going to acupuncture.

My acupuncturist had so many suggestions for me outside of medical advice that I feel were helpful. 

Jessica: I loved my acupuncturist. She was just so amazing. 

Sonia: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what I would have done without the extra support system outside of the medical part of IVF and fertility conceiving Annabelle.

Jessica: Yeah. One thing about going through this process is, you know, that I've learned, and I had to learn the hard way . It's definitely not a one size fits all thing. What works for some like IVF worked for Sonia, it didn't work for me. I've learned that my body responds best to more natural approaches.

Each time that I got pregnant was from just good old fashioned sex. It wasn't from all the injections and medications and amplifying egg count and retrievals. It was truly through natural methods. And I would just say, keep trying. If you have your heart set on that baby, who's to say that it can’t happen... Don't let anyone tell you that it's not going to happen for you. 

There's definitely many different ways to get there. There's a lot of... holistic approaches which we have listed in the fertility section of our blog. I compiled a list of some that I've tried as well as others that I've heard of other people trying.  So definitely check out that post. 

Also, there are so many supplements out there; which can get overwhelming. We've put together a blog on different supplements that we've tried. So definitely make sure to check that out as well.

Sonia: Yeah, and just so you know, we do have maybe one, maybe two geriatric mama friends who have gotten pregnant naturally with no issues. I think maybe it's just the one.

Jessica: Just one, it's just one. It's my cousin, that b*tch. LOL!

Sonia: LOL! Yeah, that's the one. She’s very healthy, very fit, and looks like a Barbie.

Jessica: Well, that's one thing that's been so surprising to me since coming out with this podcast and telling people that we're gonna do this, is so many people have been reaching out to me and been like, oh my God, that's amazing. I wanna be a guest. I wanna talk about it if you need anybody.

Sonia: Yeah, same.

Jessica: And even opening up about my miscarriages and the struggles that I had. And I've had so many people DMing me on Insta being like, oh my God I have a similar story. And so there are definitely voices that need to be heard. 

Our goal for this podcast is to give all of us 35 plus something year old mamas or mamas to be a place to talk.

One thing that I found really frustrating when I was researching and I was trying to get pregnant was that it was all like, mommy bloggers, influencers, brands that cater to the 20 something year olds and the early 30 year olds.

And we're not we're not denying that is obviously the optimal time to conceive. I get it. Nobody's denying that that's when you're the most fertile. That's great. But it doesn't always work out like that for everybody.

Life happens, and sometimes it doesn't happen the way that you want it to happen and that's okay.  

So basically we just want to create a safe space where we can all come together and know that we're not alone and it's very much normal to wait to start trying for a baby.

We hope that people find us relatable, and feel like they're sitting on the couch with us like a couple of girlfriends drinking wine or a mocktail, if you're trying to get pregnant, and just having a chat. 

Thank you guys for listening. Be sure to tune in next week! Next week, actually, this is gonna be really exciting. Our lifelong bestie of 20 plus years. (We have a lot of 20 plus year besties.) There's actually like a group of like five of us.

Sonia: We're lucky

Jessica: Yeah, so she's gonna be joining us to talk about birth stories. So both she and Sonia actually have, I'm not trying to laugh, Sonia, sorry, but they both have horrifying birth stories. And I'm laughing because when you hear the things that happened. It's just like, “are you serious?!”

I can't even wrap my head around it. I was the asshole that had a scheduled c section, I walked in and had a baby in my arms within an hour or so later. 

Their stories are not like that. So we're gonna dive into that and talk about it. You guys won't want to miss it. 

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Sonia: Hehehe

Jessica: If you have any topic ideas that you'd like us to discuss or interested in being a guest or simply have a funny geriatric story to tell, you can email us at geriatricmamas@gmail.com. Thanks guys!

Sonia: Thanks guys!